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Editor's Note: This is an interesting exchange that starts on Forum 8 about Maharaji's TPRF and Raj Vidya Kender organizations asking for donations to help in tsunami disaster relief.

Questions are raised as to the suitability of TPRF and Raj Vidya Kender acting as disaster relief agencies when they have very little experience with large scale disaster relief. Certainly, donations might be put to better use when given to more reputable organizations like the International Red Cross/Red Crescent or similar organizations with considerable track records and experience.

One might be led to consider that TPRF and Raj Vidya Kender's plea for donations is self-serving.

Included in this ***BEST*** is classic comment by Catbox Catweasel proclaiming that TPRF has been defamed and lawsuits will follow. And the other Catbox premie posters were very much in agreement.


Annual Request for EPO Funding Assistance
 Posted by: JHB
 Date: 12/30/2004, 13:45:57
 Original URL: Click here (However, the link may be stale.)
Normally at this time of year I ask for help in funding the hosting and domain name costs for EPO and its mirror sites.

This year I cannot do this, and I implore anyone who is able to support EPO financially to instead donate double or more of what they can afford to the various tsunami disaster relief funds.

John.




Re: Annual Request for EPO Funding Assistance
 Posted by: yadot
 Date: 12/30/2004, 18:18:05
 Original URL: Click here (However, the link may be stale.)
great idea.

You can send your donation to the victims of the tsunami here: http://inspire.contactinfo.net/v1_i43/story_2.htm

Y.



Related link: hhttp://inspire.contactinfo.net/v1_i43/story_2.htm




Editor's Note: Below is a copy of TPRF's page asking for donations to help the tsunami victims. The TPRF copyrighted page presented here is a direct copy and has been copied to provide proper context in the event that the page is removed or altered at some future time.


Inspire - news for the heart

TPRF to distribute food to tsunami victims

The toll from the tsunami that swept across the Pacific has risen to more than 80,000 in Indonesia, 25,000 in Shri Lanka and 10,000 in 13 coastal areas of Southern India, according to the local media. More than 2 million people there are now destitute and need food and shelter.

Volunteers from TPRF and from Raj Vidya Kender (RVK), the organization that promotes Maharaji's message of peace throughout the Indian subcontinent, are already in India preparing to distribute food to
people most in need.

Your donations to this charitable initiative are most welcome.

Please visit http://www.tprf.org/charitable_initiatives for regular updates on the TPRF/RVK distribution of food to tsunami victims.

 

 

 

© The Prem Rawat Foundation



Yes, just look at TPRF's proud humanitarian record!
 Posted by: JHB
 Date: 12/30/2004, 23:16:27
 Original URL: Click here (However, the link may be stale.)
I don't know whether you posted this as a joke or really believe that TPRF is a genuine humanitarian organisation, but I think donations would be better targeted at organisations who have extensive experience in disaster relief work, rather than extensive experience in producing videos of a rich playboy.

John.




 Date:  Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 00:45:20 (GMT)
 Posted by:  Catweasel
 Original URL:  Click here (However, the link may be stale.)
 Subject:  Every dog has his day


And by the look of what Mr Brauns has allowed to be published and distributed as factual (ie - his deliberately misleading and disgraceful comments reported above) he most probably has crossed the line and dragged his whole ragtag group of whiners into the spotlight.
You see John when you say things that are untrue about a person or organisation then you have stepped beyond Verbal Slander into the realm of Libel.
But lets just look at your claims for a minute. On the basis of what you read on the website(TPRF) you are prepared to say NO-ONE has had their optical or visual problems attended to?
Bad move Mr Latvia.Firstly you have no evidence to support your hypothesis - as is evident when the real facts are surveyed.A great number of people HAVE been treated - in INDIA!
Which leads me to the second absolutely ignorant assertion you have made about TPRF's ability to provide practical aid to the area's worst affected by the Tsunami.Perhaps you should have considered what in fact were the major needs of those victims in places like Tamil Nadu - Chenai, Madras and so forth. The people affected have lost their shelter(homes), their drinking water, their sanitation and their food.
Raj Vidya Kender (RVK) is one organisation in India well qualified to assist in such a dire situation.The group is very experienced in feeding large numbers of people (80,000 ) and over a period of time it has introduced Western standards of hygiene to it's food preparation. It also major experience in ensuring supplies of fresh drinking water and safe sanitation to similarly large numbers of people. The trouble with your vision of this reality John is that it stopped about ten years ago. How on earth do you think Prem Rawat could manage to speak to audiences of 200,000 plus without providing an infrastructure that provided a safe comfortable enviroment for those attending?Take in account that this infrastruture is set up to be entirely transportable around the whole Indian Sub Continent and I think that it demonstrates the staggering ignorance of your published comments.RVK are recognised Indian Transportation experts. The truth is that the RVK organisation is emminently qualified to assist the Tsunami victims in a practical and humane manner. It is a local Indian organisation and is grounded in the Indian community.I say congatulations to TPRF and its Indian arm RVK for initiating a splendid humanitarian initiative.

Moreover I would expect to see a published retraction of the tasteless and ignorant statements Of Mr John Brauns and his cohorts on EPO and a recognition of the true situation as described above as soon as possible.The comments made by Brauns and Co are offensive ,tasteless and inaccurate. If such a retraction and apology does not appear I would suggest a major claim for unspecified damages against EPO,its Webmaster,the Hosting Company and the ISP used by that group should be initiated. The precedent I believe would be a case brought by Australian Mining magnate Mr Joseph Gutnick against the Washington Post and its Website. Mr Gutnick won.
Stopped barking John?



Raj Vidya Kender, TPRF and Disaster Funding
 Posted by: NikW
 Date: 01/04/2005, 07:39:19
 Original URL: Click here (However, the link may be stale.)

"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it" (G.Satayana or W.Churchill - take your pick)

Raj Vidya Kender is Rawat's very own creation - Divine United Organisation, the DUO name was only dropped a couple of years ago, the organisation adopting the name of its Delhi ashram - yes ashram ! the very institution where Jagdeo was accommodated until he became too embarrassing.

RVK has no legal status other than being an 'Association' registered with the Indian Government - this process of registration is an inheritance from Imperial days when the British Raj in an effort to control political development placed limits on free association by permitting only certain organisations to exist. The present legal arrangements provide only that registered Associations produce audited accounts - there is no official oversight of the auditing process.

As an Association RVK is under no limitations as to how it uses money given to it, there are no limitations on its resources being used to benefit its members, nor are there any inhibitions on the commercial and financial relationships that RVK may enter into. Apart from the maintenance of the Delhi ashram, RVK's main activity is servicing the events in India which Rawat attends - as part of that RVK runs a mass catering. RVK operates primarily within the larger conurbations of northern India where it sources its catering supplies from regular commercial operations, its events are policed by the local civil authorities - as RVK events are most frequently held in conjunction with local Hindu festivals the local authorities simply absorb policing of RVK events within the wider festival operations. RVK has no obvious capacities in managing bulk transport, in dealing with disaster management, disease control, operating in communication deprived areas, operating outside of Hindu speaking areas, co-operation with NGO's or operating in areas where civil authority is absent.

TPRF is seeking 'tsunami relief' donations on the basis that RVK is a suitable entity to provide food aid in (unspecified) areas of India which have been affected. TPRF claims that "TPRF/RVK(sic) volunteers are assessing need". Two obvious questions arise - Why is TPRF a US based 'Educational' Foundation seeking to fund a private Association with no track record in any of the key areas of expertise required for effective disaster operation ? and Why (even supposing they are capable) are TPRF/RVK volunteers 'assessing need' when India has not only a sophisticated civil administration capable of rapidly gathering information - but also a very well established system of co-operation between both Indian and foreign based NGOs ?

It is very difficult to see the TPRF/RVK 'tsunami initiative' as not being self serving - it may not be- but it seems so obviously flawed that the only other explanation is that TPRF/RVK is driven by an arrogant disregard for the expertise that other organisations clearly possess and which TPRF and RVK do not.

One of the key aspects to the good administration of a charitable fund is that the trustees or their appointed 'grants committees' must be independent of the organisations which receive the grants. The creation of TPRF offered Rawat and his entourage the opportunity to do things differently, yet the TPRF - RVK connection displays all the symptoms of past problems - an incestuous relationship between organisations whose focus is not on any wider 'philanthropic' outcome but upon Prem Rawat. If TPRF is serious about becoming a funder of 'humanitarian relief' then it should immediately seek to appoint two additional independent directors who have the necessary skills and experience to advise on effective operation in funding humanitarian relief.

An earlier thread on the TPRF/RVK 'tsunami initiative' referred to threats about defamation proceedings because - TPRF had been 'impugned', one interesting aspect is that those issuing the threats seem to be relying on legal judgements regarding the jurisdictions where actions for 'Internet defamation' can take place. There have been a number of judicial decisions that have said, unlike printed libel - where the action would usually be confined to the country/state where the libel was published - Internet libel can be actionable in any jurisdiction where the libel is 'received'. A consequence of this is that, while a US citizen for instance may feel protected by their constitutional right to free speech - a court in another country would be unlikely to recognise that right. In practical terms though a defamation action would have to take place in a jurisdiction which had some authority over the defendant - there's no extradition for libel !

Linking an internationally active Foundation with the terms of 'Internet defamation' may not actually do much for those threatening defamation action - after all if defamation is actionable in the jurisdiction in which it is received - then the role of a charity could arguably be tested within the terms of the jurisdiction where it is received. Thus as TPRF, an Internet based operation, is 'received' by me in the UK, I can reasonably conclude that I am entitled to judge it within the terms of a UK Charity - and heap upon it consequent criticism. Anyone from TPRF or RVK is free to post on this forum - present clarification of its activities and invite me to alter my criticism. One of the things that those threatening defamation seem to have overlooked is that the test for defamation of a charity which has a duty to be publicly accountable - will be rather different from that which affects a private individual.


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4 As bright as the lights on Maharaji's jet
3 As bright as a 60 watt bulb
2 As bright as a pile of burning ghi on a swinging arti tray
1 As bright as the inner light as seen by the third eye
0 Catweasel is going to sue and win like he has so many times before

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