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Editor's Note: See DID GMJ SET A FIRE UNDER FAKIRANAND'S ASS? for the posts that EddyTheHootle is making the following rebuttal to.

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Tues, Feb 01, 2000 at 13:49:08 (GMT)

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EddytheHootle

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Joey

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A LOT OF BULLS BABY
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Listen...regardless of what Ann said to you....It is the kind of thing that is NOT PREMEDIATED...IT WAS INSTANTANEOUS.....AND IT WOULD BE Totally stupid and IRRATIONAL of You to claim that it was instigated by M...it just shows how much Brain you have.

As I can see there were different types of Premis then:

1. Those who were seekers..some found and some left..
2. Those whom the Earth has half swollowed..And wher either almost dead or about to die from junk..their brains were junk...and the FACT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE AND POSTING ON THE FORUM NOW ...You Should thank M for that...You guys could have been all DEAD by now....where is Jim Morrison...Jimi Hendrix...Their minds were JUNKED OUT...

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Tues, Feb 01, 2000 at 18:55:43 (GMT)

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Roger eDrekô

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EddyTheHootel

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Junkies? Speak for yourself
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Ah, yes, I think I remember you, premie ji. You've been here before and have talked about how Maharaji saved so many from the evils of heroin addiction.

Maybe there were numerous heroin addicts in the UK saved by Knowledge, but from my anecdotal experience in the U.S. I knew of only one person who had been into heroin. Yes, maybe more and others can throw in their two cents, but your claim is, IMO, an exaggeration.

Sure, there were people who used drugs prior to Knowledge and maybe Knowledge temporarily interrupted their drug use, but I would estimate such drug use to consist of the usual marijuana, LSD, and whatever else was most common. Heroin, IMO, was the exception rather than the rule.

Please detail your claims that might indicate otherwise, please.

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Tues, Feb 01, 2000 at 16:27:31 (GMT)

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Jim

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EddytheHootle

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How utterly stupid
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EddytheHootle wrote:
Listen...regardless of what Ann said to you....It is the kind of thing that is NOT PREMEDIATED...IT WAS INSTANTANEOUS.....AND IT WOULD BE Totally stupid and IRRATIONAL of You to claim that it was instigated by M...it just shows how much Brain you have.

As I can see there were different types of Premis then:

1. Those who were seekers..some found and some left..
2. Those whom the Earth has half swollowed..And wher either almost dead or about to die from junk..their brains were junk...and the FACT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE AND POSTING ON THE FORUM NOW ...You Should thank M for that...You guys could have been all DEAD by now....where is Jim Morrison...Jimi Hendrix...Their minds were JUNKED OUT...


Jim responded:
Hey fool,

Fakir and Mr. White Guy Everybrother conpsired made a plan which, if I recall, was first for Mr. White Guy Everybrother to contact Halley and gain his confidence. They cooked up a story which was that Mr. White Guy Everybrother was an ex-premie who knew an old, disgruntled Indian ex who'd like to meet him and share some dirt on m. They planned the time, place and roles they'd play. At some point, they chose a weapon.

They met with Halley under entirely false pretenses and played their roles throughout. At the fateful moment, offering to show Halley the 'secret techniques', they turned to lights out and one of them, whoever they decided would have the honour of avenging their Lord of the Universe most directly -- and oh, what a solemn honour that was! -- smashed the unsuspecting prankster in the head mercilessly. Then they left, obviously either thinking they'd killed him or, at very best, being entirely indifferent to his fate. That is, they did not call an ambulance or, better still, sa they were sorry and drive him to a hospital. No, they left him t die.

Then they retreated -- exactly as planned.

And you say this was 'instantaneous'?? 'Not premeditated'?? Buddy, this was the ultimate 'premeditated' assault, pun intended.

And as for m ..... well we know he was an Accessory after the Fact. That's a given. We also know now that he spoke with Fakiranand about Halley shortly before the former hatched this plan. Or rather, started to implement it. Who's plan was it? We don't really know now, do we. But plan it was.

Now go back to sleep.

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Tues, Feb 01, 2000 at 16:47:47 (GMT)

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EddytheHootle

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Jim

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WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE JIM?
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This is your version of the Story...I would really like to get some facts...where did you get your facts from?
Is this more EXpremie/PremieSpeak...Who is this mister Whiteguy?
Just give me some facts...why has not this Mr halledy guy came out in public...Give me some facts..not rummours...what you say will never impress any intelliegent jury...

My recollection of it...was that this happened in Denver, Co. and that the thing actually happed in PUBLIC ..... OK...Try and convince me...I am jury....Give me some Evidence, you dont even know who this Mr White Guy is...Oh the Juicy Grapevine....

But let me ask you this...in those days with the mindset that we all had then....anybody would have punched this guy....and did u read this thread about what the WPC guy said in Mellenium, 'he would slit....', that is even worse then what we are talking about here...

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Tues, Feb 01, 2000 at 17:07:03 (GMT)

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Jim Heller

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To:  

EddytheHootle

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But Eddy!!!!!
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(Saying that, I felt like Topo Gigio for a moment...)

Eddy, buddy, you missed the whole show.

Of course it happened in Detroit. It was all over the news worldwide. Don't you remember? There was an AP wire shot of Maharaji with pie on his face. I think Time and or Newsweek ran it. I know a lot of newspapers did.

See, if you recall, the incident was actually a Maharaji publicity stunt turned sour. Some Detroit premies had arranged for him to get the key to the city for his 'great humanitarian service and public works'. Halley was the editor of an 'underground' newspaper out for a little agitprop. But then all of this is covered in the Lord of the Universe documentary. The actual pie shot, Halley being interviewed after. It's all there and, if you like, I'm sure there's someone here who'd be willing to arrange your very own video event so you can see for yourself.

And yes, everyone knew that Fakiranand did this in cahoots with a Detroit ashram premie. It was no big secret, Eddy, but I think I understand where your own investigation went wrong. You were busy interviewing witnesses in Denver, I take it. Well that was the wrong town. Sorry.

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Tues, Feb 01, 2000 at 17:18:30 (GMT)

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Jim

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EddyTheHootle

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And furthermore...
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Halley DID come out in public, if you consider the fact that he let himself be interviewed for this PBS documentary. In fact, I'd say that that was a pretty brave move on his part given his prior encounters with the cult, wouldn't you?

Also, re-reading your post, I see how truly confused you are about this matter. The pie-throwing was in public. The retribution, either that day or the next, was a very private affair.

As for the identity of Mr. White Guy Everybrother, a couple of people here have mentioned knowing him and escribing how remorseful he felt afterwards. Like I say, he's reported to have moved to Hawaii soon after. So is that what you're going to doubt? Do you need his name? Surely someone here has it. Mind you, Halley himself describes how it happened. Maybe, if you're nice, I'll watch the video and transcribe his interview for you. Hm?

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Tues, Feb 01, 2000 at 17:29:15 (GMT)

From:  

Jim

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To:  

EddyTheHootel

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Oh EDeeeeeeee??????????
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Oh EDeeeeeeee??????????

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Tues, Feb 01, 2000 at 19:04:13 (GMT)

From:  

EddyTheHootle

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Jim

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Whats up with the Mouse
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Jim....lets get it straight...Detroit not Denver...well what we heard over the other side of the atlantic was..that the guy was asked if he wanted to see 'THE LIGHT' and was thumped on the Head....we assumed it was in public and not premedidated ...and never heard of this mister White guy.....

You are saying it was pre-meditated, and involving an Ashram Premie..Mr White guy....who will remain nameless ..but two people know him...well...why dont they come out and say who he is...

SPACE CADETS:

There are a group of Mahatmas known as 'Space Cadets'....These are Fakiranand, Charanand and forgot the 3rd one...these are the guys with these amazing space age heads....Fakiranand was considered to be a Saint by many premies....What he did at that instant was.....Total Anger and out of Control....it is his Ego saying....shit 'my lord has been humilated...I am going to fix this guy...'

And Jim....probably u and I would have had also some strong feelings about this subject at that time..I know many premies whowere cheered that a Mahatma fixed this guy...

So....whats up with your mouse

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